- We are secular. Sure we have our ultra-right wing fundies, but India is one place where you can scream, "I am an atheist", and not have anyone trouble you. Richard Dawkins wouldn't have a tough time in India. We listen, we think, and if you believe in a great Juju up the mountains, we don't trouble you. Also great if you don't believe in any Juju at all. Nobody will bat an eyelid if you wear a t-shirt saying "atheist" (or the local language equivalent) and parade around India. We're used to the complexity of faith, and the possibility that it might not exist for some people.
- Our politicians aren't out attacking some other country. We don't also kid ourself about a higher moral standard. We're just as human as the rest. We've had our share of brutality, and now we'd like to leave that behind, thank you. We showed the world that brutality is not the solution. If you cannot win the war in a peaceful manner, you can certainly not win it with arms. A Gandhi figure in Africa would do wonders.
- Vada-pav, and other absolutely lovely food. I often meet people who aren't from India but love our food. Just today I met an Argentinian who loves dosas. Now that is enough to hold your head high. Think dosas, curry, basmati, naan, chicken tikka, and dal. One of my favorite incidents is an elderly Japanese lady gushing, "I love curry", in a remote part of Hokkaido, which must see less than two Indian visitors a year. And cooked right, Indian food is very healthy.
- You don't need a car to get around. That means lower emissions, lesser trouble to mother Earth, and a quieter conscience. You don't need to drive to get from Bombay to Delhi: you don't even need to fly! You can take a train, and meet some colorful characters on the way. On more than one train journey strangers have invited me to an impromptu train party, complete with alchohol.
- We've got a democracy. Not a very functional democracy, but atleast we elect the person at the top. Every person's vote is counted, and not by a machine that can be hacked by a chimp.
- We know that we're poor, and we're trying to come out of it ourself. We aren't begging for aid, we aren't pleading for support. Let us study, let us work, and we'll provide for our own people. We've got a lot of poverty, but you won't hear of a "Fund for India" anytime soon.
- We love education. Everyone values education. Hindus even have a goddess of education. Parents tell their kids that education is the difference between misery and prosperity. And not the kind of education that says the Earth is 7000 years old. We study in real schools.
- Families exist. Parents don't get divorced as often. Children are brought up in a stable family of both parents, sometimes with a supporting cast of uncles and aunts. I have fond memories of spending time with both my parents, who are still together. I love my brother, my parents, and we're still a close family. We still visit, we care for each other.
- We waste very little. Bags are reused. Bottles are reused. Clothes are given to younger members of the extended family, or to household helpers, or exchanged for utensils. My family's monthly garbage fits in the weekly garbage output of average American families. Our newspapers are thinner (though just as pointless), we abhor wastage of food. Things aren't packaged in kilos of plastic, made of stronger material than bomb-shelters. Vegetables are sold fresh, and you bring your own bag. We don't put monthly carpets of grass on our lawns to make neighbors jealous.
- The law doesn't dictate personal freedom. Abortions are legal, for good reasons. Drugs like cocaine are illegal, but it is unlikely to get persecuted just for this, unless you're into other stuff as well. Alchohol drinking is permitted at 18, though it is no big deal to get it when you're 12, or 10. [1] Indians don't binge drink when they turn 18, because they can choose to binge drink at 10. Even tobacco isn't made into a big deal, so it isn't. If people choose to smoke, they can start as early as they want. This takes the sparkle off. Homosexuality is still technically illegal, but it is unheard of to persecute anyone for it in the way Alan Turing was persecuted.
Footnotes:
1. There are states where alchohol isn't permitted right now, but these things change with time: states have experimented with prohibition, democracy at work. States with prohibition are exceptions, not the rule.
10 points - hmm. I thought I was reading Guy Kawasaki's blog..
ReplyDelete1. Never clean up after yourself. I have lived with Indians as my room-mates for 2 years now. Do you always expect others do clean up after you?
ReplyDelete2. Lying is completely fine with Indians. 99% come to the USA with fake resumes (5-7 years experience) as a freshmen just after graduation and fake it till they make it. Plus, lying whether it is needed or not. I think that it is absolutely fine in your culture to lie.
3. Cheating.
4. Treating women like home pets. Completely disrespectful.
5. Arranged marriages. This is like 500 years back compared to civilized world.
6. Treating others like servants - especially weaker ones. Then treatng stronger like gods.
7. Usually you don't know what you don't know, but you tend to yell to talk your completely primitive nonsense.
8. Bad English.
9. Extremely money oriented. Indians are not programmers because they love programming, bur because it's good money. They are doctors or lawyers for the very same reason. Money. Therefore, there are no famous Indian doctors, lawyers or IT guys. If you don't put heart into something you will never be really good at it. Even if you make decent money. India will never have their M$, or google. You don't tend to think like individuals. You do what gives you profit at a given moment/situation and that's it. Moreover, you will do everything do achieve your cheap goals. Lie, cheat, yell, disrespect, maybe even kill.
10. You love bithing about this how other nations are bad and how India is fantastic. Then stay in your slums with your 10 points.
Civilization comes to you from the US. Earlier fromn the UK. Not opposite way. Tell honestly why.
Hey anonymous,
ReplyDeleteVery pertinent points. I loved 9. (greed), 10 (hypocrisy) and 5 (arranged marriage).
I think you might be generalizing a fair bit when you claim that all Indians are fairly filthy, or yelling. Whilesome are absolute pigs, and some do yell to cover up their ignorance, it might be a little much to claim that we're all like that. A couple of Indian women I know (that live in the US) are clean to a fault, and it is torture visiting them, since they feel offended at every speck of dirt I've left behind. And many Indians I know are honest to a fault.
But my experiences could differ. On the whole, I agree whole-heartedly with our disrespect towards women, our submission to authority and disrespect towards people working for us, and the fact that we love saying India is great, but do little to isolate the faults, and make it better. These things should change, and only by recognizing a problem can one hope to fix it.
Remember that India has had quite a rough deal with history, which explains the extreme poverty right now. We're better now than we were at independence, when the Brits left. And now we're still quite poor, so you can imagine how deep our exploitation during British times was. Sure, we lost to them due to our lack of military (or national unity), but the British exploitation of India cannot be debated. Vast amount of historical evidence points to it.
Civilization to us doesn't come from the US at all, or from the UK. We were fairly civilized in the 1500s and the 1600s, with all the trappings of a civilized society: well developed music, art, a fairly well developed statecraft. Our big misfortune was to not counter the British, or consider them to be the threat that they were.
Neither the US nor the UK are fault-less in enforcing their dominance. Or do you consider that UK+US overthrow of Mossadeg (1953) to be a civilized move? A brilliant political move, no doubt, but not even closed to civilized. Quite brutal, when you think of it. If India had any amount of oil, we would be in the same condition that Iraq is in now. The difference between the two countries is all due to the effort of many Indians since Independence.
So I agree with you on many points, and points where we need changes. I don't bitch about the US, a country which I find quite amazing and facinating.
But most of all, I wish we could all agree on the problems that plague us so we could get out of the damn slums.
PS. I noticed that you said "Not opposite way" which I guess means "Why doesn't civilization flow from India to the US or the UK?" Well, going by what my Welsh friends tell me, English food is loathsome enough for the Brits to eat Indian food instead. Not civilization perhaps, but atleast we're contributing something.
Friendly,
Youngelf
Wake up idiots, enough of Indian bashing, if I start writing about you all then a lot of shit will hit the fan.
ReplyDeleteStarting with
1. You need brains to be a programmer I guess you need one to realize that.
2. One out of six doctors in US are from Indian origin. DDDD!
3. Same stands for NASA scientist for space research and Microsoft.
4. One of the founders of Sun Micro system is an Indian.
5. Hotmail, ATM are all started by Indians. Wake up and do some reading there is no place for dummies any more.
6. It is high time you stop living on resources that are forcibly snatched from others, well
7. I have to give examples otherwise you are too dumb to understand. Canada, USA, Australia, South America Knock!! Knock! You flourished, as you snatched resources from their original peace loving inhabitants. You tried to do that to India too but they kicked your ass out of there.
8. If you all have to go back to your original land the western part of Asia that we also call Europe, it will be as dirty and filthy as it was a few hundred years ago before the so called colonization of the Pest started.
9. It is you guys who are cause of most violence in the world including Atom bomb and the World wars and Holocaust; I can go on and on.
10. You can’t talk about cleaning when you are the dirtiest of all. Neither you clean your mouth after eating nor do you ever clean your asshole after crapping, just wipe it and move on with a smile. Bath or shower is not a regular daily affair so you need lot of deodorant to cover your body odor.
11. You are always trying to make up for your deficiencies in looks by using makeup or plastic surgery.
12. Meaning of love for you is to screw and you are so desperate that you don’t mind starting it on the street like dogs or animals. That is why marriages fall apart so soon.
13. You chase the child out as soon he or she is grown up (like in wilderness) and then on treat them as external entity. A child has to take an appointment if he/she wants to see parents.
14. Color in skin is considered inferior but go crazy basking in sun to get it.
15. Your language is most unstructured of all the languages. You are lucky that we understand, do you understand any other language. I am sure you don’t.
16. You always adapt to things from other land and pretend it to be your own.
17. Concept of Zero, Astrology, Advance mathematics and concept of University are all of Indian in origin and existed in India thousands of years ago when you all were in killing rampage in Europe.
18. Cummerbund used in most formal dressing of male (Tuxedo) is form India (‘Cummer’ means waist ‘bund’ means band). Bone china crockery is from china and not from Europe. Fine fabrics like cotton and Silk are all from Asia. Most of the spices in the world originated from India. Until early 19th century only source of diamond in the world was India. Read dummies read.
19. Similar claim on civilization: You have created most immoral society in the world where women get screwed day in and day out to hook up a guy. They have no shame to flaunt around their body to attract male attention (go to porn site highest numbers are from European origin) .
20. All your famous men are women are also famous for the number of divorces they had.
21. Making money is main reason for business and it is a distinguished profession if done honestly. You feel the guilt because you have the money that you really did not work for.
22. Smarten up and salute every time you see an Indian.
Your butt kicker.
Good one.
ReplyDeletewell said v.....
ReplyDeleteHope DUMMIES get it atleast now..
ReplyDeleteVery well said V.....
ReplyDeleteExcellent,
ReplyDeleteLet me add few more points
1. Big bang experiment which is going on at switerzerland/france is based on theory of Indian Scientist.
2. India is third largest country to produce doctors, Engineers and Scients.
3. India has 3rd largest army in the world.
4. India is 3rd largest and strong economy in the world. We achieve this in just 60 years of independence comapare to America, they have independace more than 150 years, think where we will be in next 90 years.
5. Yoga is invented by India
6. Highest and skilled software professionals in India
Now my turn,
ReplyDeleteA Proud to be indian
1. biggest bridge made by Rama between Srilanka and India ( in a SEA) thousand of year ago. And you know its only made of Stones.
2. Trigonometry geometry was invented in india.
3. Fraction was also invented by India.
4. Many of english world derrived from Sanskrit language like Matru becomes mother , bhartu becomes brother.
5. Ayurved was invent by India.
Funny thing you added Vada Pav, in the mix. I am an Indian but have never eaten vada pav in my life. But I could chuck in many delicious mouth watering things instead.
ReplyDeleteLiving outside of India, I miss good food the most. But on the other hand, there is some really good British food also, that I quite like. (Not fish and chips ...)
But why should our pride be limited to just food and other such things. I am sure one day Indians would be just as capable of reaching out the skies as richer nations now are.
Anonymous (1), your India bashing is baseless. I have lived in the US for 7 years, and as V said, your generalisation is very inappropriate.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous (2) , nice points laid out to counter Anonymous (1).
Let me add some more points:
* Indian culture is not based on materialism. You have to live in India to understand Bharat. Hinduism is a way of life, it is not a religion. Every culture has its vices, but time and again the greatest sages have pointed out the vices, the highest values of humanity at the highest intellectual level, such high thoughts and values you'd be surprised, I bow down to such greatness and the invaluable knowledge is timeless and pristine.
India stands for spritualism and indian values are based on the highest moral code. There have been unethical practices still in vogue based on religion, but the highest spiritual leaders have condemned such practices. Again, you have to be born in India to understand why even a sacred stone under a tree is valued more than a diamond in one's heart.
* Judge India based on its true essence and not from fools who have failed to assimilate its richness in themselves, who have not even peeked into Upanishads just once which holds the treasure to real knowledge.
* You have asked what India has to offer. If the whole world has to seek for the highest knowledge of life, it has to learn to the bow down to the rishi who is probably naked without any material possessions and is unconcerned with the western pomp and external glamour.
I wouldn't even call Indian spirituality as the greatest, because greatest is a comparison. Indian values are timeless, the richness is immeasurable and the answers for truth and liberation have been laid out eons ago. Every breath of spriritual thought is so pure and the highest ideal proclaimed was -let peace pervade in this universe.